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Forget the term URALIC, the original homeland of the Finno-Ugrics or Flavii was in Central-Europe

It seems that the theories I believe in are strange to you just like they are to the majority of the people...Because these are very recent discoveries which contradict the "Indo-European" fairy-tales and the false origin of the "Finno-Ugrics".

Kovács István
2016 m. Rugpjūčio 15 d., 15:14
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Forget the term URALIC, the original homeland of the Finno-Ugrics or Flavii was in Central-Europe

"When I say “Hungarian”, I refer to a population that kept its genetic and cultural identity along 10 millennia, regardless of the language they spoke or shall speak! Language connections are irrelevant."

Taken from Michelangelo Naddeo´s website

Michelangelo Naddeo, an Italian researches who searched the origin of the Hungarian people for more than 10 years, came to the conclusion that the "Finno-Ugric" peoples were Old-Europeans who as their genetics, archeology, language, anthropology and culture-anthropology confirms, fled into their current location from the Celto-Pannonians (so-called "Indo-Europeans").

The original homeland of the "Finno-Ugrics" or Flavii as Naddeo called them was in Central-Europe. Also forget the term "Indo-European". There are no such genes or peoples like "Indo-European". R1a can in no way be connected to the "Indo-Europeans" but it appears everywhere where the Flavii have settled and live even today!

The so-called "Indo-Europeans" were Celto-Pannonians i.e. Flavii with possibly Aryan (patriarchal, war-liking, nomadic) leaders.
The number of the leaders was so low that there is no genetic trace of their presence in Europe!

They disappeared without genetic traces just like the Mongolian Huns.

Haplogroup N1c can in no way be connected to the "Finno-Ugric" peoples.

It is the genetic marker of the Arctic peoples who came from China.

As the Flavii were pushed northward by the Slavs, Germans and "Indo-Europeans", they intermingled with the Arctic peoples.

For example in Finnland the (R1a, R1b, N1a) people i.e. Flavii intermingled with the (N1c) people, the Saami.

The Saami borrowed their Flavio language from the Finns and the Finns borrowed their Haplogroup N1c from the Saami people.

If someone leaves out the Saami components from the genetic structure of the Finns, one can clearly see that they were formerly Old-Europeans.

It is also confirmed by their archeology, anthropology, language, alphabet and culture-anthropology.

This is the newest theory based on GENETICS, ARCHEOLOGY, ANTHROPOLOGY,

"According to recent studies, the peoples that speak Finno-Ugric
languages have lived in Europe for about ten millennia. It seems that
before the Great Migration, primarily Finno-Ugric languages were spoken
in Eastern and Central Europe." (Source:

It is just a quote.
But here are a lot of proofs.:

M. Naddeo has written also 3 books. Those books also confirm his theories and the proofs on the website may not be enough convincing without them for some people. But anyone can order his books from his website.

I must also tell you about Andres Pääbo who didn´t come to the same conclusion as Naddeo but basically his researches also confirm Naddeo´s theory.

Lithuanian researcher Marija Gimbutas also said something similar (but not exactly the same!) as Naddeo. Her researches also confirm Naddeo´s theory about Old-Europe.

And finally my best friend, Nikolay Slavianinov. A real researcher! Thanks to his brilliant linguistic discoveries, the history of Old-
Europe is more clearer to us than before! His discoveries correspond with the discoveries of Naddeo!

And they never met each other, they never spoke to each other and never heard of each other before I told Nikolay about Naddeo.
In fact they could never speak to each other as Naddeo died in 2012.

That is long before I met Nikolay.

Nikolay is a hero, a genius. All the linguists of the world should knee before him. Unfortunately people don´t understand his linguistic
discoveries because in their minds still dominate the "Indo-European" and "Finno-Ugric" fairy tales which are not confirmed by anything!

I made a short video about the Huns, The Origin of the Huns. The aim of this video is to prove that Attila and his Huns were Mongols. The Hungarians were also called Huns because some or many Hungarians were hunnised.



  • István
    2016 m. Rugpjūčio 16 d., 22:57
    Continuation 2: The Khanty-Mansi carry a lot of N1c and Tat-C yet it is not their original genetic marker! Here are the proofs.:

    “The genetic history of the Khanty Mansi appears to be the one of a population that had come from North Eastern Europe and received a Central Asian, South Siberian and Arctic admixture”. (“Northwest Siberian Khanty and Mansi in the junction of West and East Eurasian gene pools as revealed by uniparental markers”, Russian Academy of Sciences).

    In the first millennium BC, they migrated to Western Siberia where they assimilated with the native (N1c, Tat-C) inhabitants. ("The Mansis". The Peoples of the Red Book. EE: EKI.")

    “63.3% of the mtDNA detected in the Mansi falls into western Eurasian lineages” (“Traces of early Eurasians in the Mansi of northwest Siberia revealed by mitochondrial DNA analysis”, Olga A. Derbeneva).

    There are still many Khanty-Mansi who have N1a and blonde hair. It is because they were originally Europeans who later mixed with other peoples.
  • István
    2016 m. Rugpjūčio 16 d., 18:55
    Continuation 1: If you leave the relevant Saami admixture out of the Finnish genetic pie, you find out that before the admixture the Finns were Europeans.

    The same mixing happened with the Khanty-Mansi, the brothers of the Finns.
    They were also Europeans together with the Finns. They had the same language, same anthropology, same archeology, same culture, etc. They have settled in the Altay region and fled to Yugra from the Huns. Escape = (Hungarian) Menekül = Menni kell = Need to go. It is a Flavio marker as they were and are still peaceful peoples.

    “All the U7 sequences found in Khanty and Mansi are identical, and the same sequence is found in Uighur of Central Asia. This suggests a recent founder effect of U7 haplogroup in Khanty and Mansi with a probable Central Asian origin. Similarly, the Southeast Asian-derived Y chromosome N2 lineage, allegedly specific for Uralic speakers, is also found among Altaic speakers….” (“Northwest Siberian Khanty and Mansi in the junction of West and East Eurasian gene pools as revealed by uniparental markers”, Forensic Biology, University of Helsinki)

    The Uyghurs are genetically half Europeans and half Mongoloids. They were Europeans before they started to mix with the Asians. They also migrated to their current location from the Altay region from where the Khanty-Mansi, the Hungarians or the Ainu did.
  • István
    2016 m. Rugpjūčio 16 d., 11:32
    Instead, the Saami MtDNA received a Central European admixture (U5b1b, V, H1) that is absent in Siberian Arctic populations. (“The western and eastern roots of the Saami, the story of genetic "outliers" told by mitochondrial DNA and Y chromosomes”, Kristiina Tambets et al.)
    In Nordia, the Finns are NOT those who speak a Finnic language, or those who carry N1c1c or Tat C, but those who bear a Central European DNA made of a mix of R1a1a, I, and R1b.

    Other references:
    “A counter-clockwise northern route of the Y-chromosome haplogroup N from Southeast Asia towards Europe”, Siiri Rootsi et al.
    “Y-chromosome haplogroup N dispersals from south Siberia to Europe”, Miroslava Derenko et al.
    “Dual Origins of Finns Revealed by Y Chromosome Haplotype Variation”, Derenko M. et al.
    “Honfoglalás…” page 232, about the methods of the Slavic conquest of Russia.
  • István
    2016 m. Rugpjūčio 16 d., 11:32
    Ilkka Salo. Please bring your proofs (genetic, archeological, anthropological, linguistic and culture-anthropological) which support your theory. I have already given the sources of the theory I believe in.

    N1c1c has nothing to do with the Finns, nothing to do with the Flavio languages.
    The geneticists say that N1 originated in Southern China (Sichuan, 14.000 B.C.) and N1c1c originated from south of the Baikal lake (6000 B.C.), from where it spread to the Arctic shores. N1c1c is the marker of the migrations of the Arctic populations.
    When the Flavii of Eurasia were pushed northward, they intermingled with the N1c1c peoples, whose languages were Flaviised, Finnicized in Europe and Ugricized in Asia.
    The N1c1c Saami were in Nordia since at least 5.000 B.C. and they had migrated there from the central shores of the Arctic Sea (Noel D. Broadbent, Smithsonian Institution).
    The Finns are the last remnants of a migration of Flavii that brought the Bronze Age to Nordia, that started the Amber Road, that were pushed northward by Germans and Slavs, that spread a Flavio language to Nordia, and that intermingled with an overwhelming N1c1c and Tat C local population, which was there since 5000 B.C. (Smithsonian Institution).
  • Ilkka Salo
    2016 m. Rugpjūčio 15 d., 15:52
    False: "Haplogroup N1 can in no way connected to the "Finno-Ugric" peoples. It is the genetic marker of the Arctic peoples who came from China."

    Baltic N1C1 Finns originate from the Eastern Ukraine and arrived to the Baltic Sea. Some goups headed north-west, some north and some northeast (Komi). Those branches of haplogroup N1 which can be found left also in China took a different route near Himalayas and didn't move to the Urals and near the Black Sea as the European N1.

    Sami and other original Arctic people adopted influence (Sami language and N1C1 genes) from the N1C1 Finns but otherwise they have nothing in common. Sami came after the ice-age from Iberia via Norway and then south (and back to north when N1C1 Finns came south from the Baltic Sea).